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The operating results of Windsor Quality Holdings (Windsor) for the past three years have been basically flat. Comparing the company's growth rate with that of the market, I suppose Windsor's market share has been falling. Can you explain the reasons?
In 2012 (January to December), the reason was a factory fire that caused a temporary drop in supply capability. In 2013 (January to December), the main reason was the end of transactions with a major food service customer. The operating profit margin for sales to food service customers, which require numerous private label products, is low compared with Windsor's overall operating income, so I believe ending these sales to raise the margin was a positive move. It had a negative impact on net sales, but did not affect operating income.
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Can you explain your stance on future brand management? There is overlap in the product lineup between Windsor's and Ajinomoto's existing products, mainly in Asian food. How will you draw a line between the two in conducting business?
Windsor's Tai Pei and Ling Ling brands are classified as Asian food, but Ajinomoto views them as Chinese. On the other hand, Ajinomoto's products are Japanese food, and although both companies sell gyoza (pot stickers), they are completely different products. Ajinomoto's gyoza is referred to as Japanese-style. Likewise, yakisoba (chow mein) can also be considered Chinese, but Ajinomoto's yakisoba is Japanese-style. In this way, we will use the Ajinomoto brand when we expand Japanese food. Our brand strategy is to make a clear demarcation in our initiatives. Our view is that Asian food and Japanese food are different. Ramen is also Japanese food.
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There are likely to be many people in the United States who confuse Japanese and Chinese food. Won't this lead to cannibalization between Ajinomoto's and Windsor's products?
Ajinomoto's products are clearly differentiated, using the name Tokyo, among other methods. In the United States, the number of people who confuse Japanese and Chinese food is steadily decreasing, so cannibalism is unlikely.
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What specific measures will you use to raise market share to 50% by 2020? What strengths will you deploy?
One method of growing our share will be to expand sales of products we make in Portland throughout the United States. This should provide us with substantial back-up. Another will be to apply Ajinomoto's technologies for production, seasoning and improving product quality to existing Windsor products to make them even better. We will be able to expand our share with these measures. We can achieve the top share in fields that are clearly segmented as Japanese and Asian foods.
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Regarding your thoughts on the operating profit margin, with this acquisition, what level do you expect in fiscal 2015, fiscal 2016 and fiscal 2020? Also, if this acquisition increases the operating profit margin, will it be from cost synergies or from improvement in the product mix?
The operating profit margin for Ajinomoto's existing frozen food business in North America is around 10%, and I want to raise it higher. In the future, we will aim for an operating profit margin of 10% for our overall operations including Windsor. Currently, Windsor's operating profit margin is at the same level as Ajinomoto's frozen food business in Japan at about half of our target. The reason is clear: Among Windsor's products, the operating profit margin for Asian food is about the same as in Ajinomoto's existing business, but some products have a low profit margin, such as private label products produced exclusively for some specific food service customers. Consequently, we will need to streamline the product portfolio. By doing so, we can improve the profit margin significantly. Another factor is productivity, and there is substantial room to improve efficiency by deploying Ajinomoto's production technologies at Windsor's factories. I know that introducing Ajinomoto's technologies will put Windsor in a better position. With these measures, we expect net sales to decrease slightly in 2015, but after that we plan to gradually improve the operating profit margin to 10%, and we are very likely to reach it.
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Am I correct in thinking that the decrease in net sales in 2015 will be mainly in sales to some food service customers? Also, will the operating profit margin increase from fiscal 2015?
The decrease in private label products for food service customers in 2015 only relates to the idea of streamlining the product portfolio.
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What is your image of the annual growth rate of net sales for the seven years from 2014 to 2020? In answering, please give a breakdown between organic growth from existing business and growth from synergies.
For Windsor's existing business, we expect net sales to decrease temporarily in 2015, but to grow at an average rate of around 4-5% annually until 2020. For Ajinomoto's existing business, we forecast growth of about 7% each year. Combined, we expect average growth of about 5-6%. We haven't calculated in detail how much synergy will add to this, but with the expansion of sales channels, I think we have to show a synergy effect of 2-3%.
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We don't know the status of Windsor's assets because it is an unlisted company, but is it correct to assume this acquisition carries no risk? You also say that Windsor's management is capable, but is it safe to assume there are no risks in the area of manpower, such as employee quality?
In principle, Windsor does not disclose its financial information, but it undergoes accounting audits. Moreover, the company has received ratings, and our impression is that a control system was in place from the start, to a certain extent. Of course, we are having accounting, tax, legal and other experts perform due diligence before signing the acquisition agreement, and we are not aware of any major risks. However, Windsor has seven factories throughout the United States and a history of diversification through repeated mergers and acquisitions. As a result, it has a fair amount of intangible assets. Because the acquisition will incur goodwill, we will conduct thorough purchase price allocation through an audit.
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I'd like to ask about the impact of the acquisition on Ajinomoto's results for fiscal 2015. What effect will there be on consolidated results, taking expenses for amortization of goodwill into account?
After the closing, we will conduct an audit to determine the market valuation of the intangible assets, the goodwill and their amortization periods, so I can't make any definite comment at this time. We have estimated the impact on results based on certain assumptions, and we think Windsor will make a positive contribution, even taking amortization of goodwill into account. A detailed estimate will be incorporated into our forecast of results for fiscal 2015.
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What is the proportion of B2B sales and B2C sales in Windsor's existing business?
In Ajinomoto's current frozen food business in North America, the proportion is approximately 30% B2B and 70% B2C. For Windsor, B2B and B2C are approximately 50% each.
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Please lay out how you will use cash in the future under your policies for M&A and shareholder returns.
Our FY2014-2016 Medium-Term Management Plan targets of a total return to shareholders of about 50% and a payout ratio of 30% are not changed by this acquisition. There will also be no change in our basic M&A policy. We will consider acquisitions necessary for our original objective of being a global food company. We are also interested in the field of R&D, including flavor, and we will continue to consider M&A in that field.
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I am not sure of Ajinomoto's post-M&A ability to increase the corporate value of the companies it acquires because it has no track record. Rather, I have the impression that you weren't able to achieve any results with your previous acquisition of Amoy Foods for about ¥30 billion, which was followed by an impairment loss after the acquisition. Based on your past failure, how will you manage this acquisition?
We have established a strategy for conducting M&A in order to make our current ideas a reality. We don't just decide on possible acquisitions as they are introduced to us. We don't make hasty decisions; we take a year or more to develop plans and identify target companies. In addition, one lesson we have learned from our purchase of Amoy Foods is that the management team is extremely important. In the case of Althea Technologies, Inc., which Ajinomoto acquired through a stock purchase announced in 2013, we have been involved in management from the start, and things are going very smoothly now because the company has taken on the necessary form. A thorough evaluation of the management system is essential. Secure retention of management is also important. Amoy Foods was under the sole control of its president, who was no longer involved in management after the acquisition. Now, we have been taking a careful look at the management systems of the companies we acquire, which is a major difference from previous acquisitions.
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For Windsor's low operating profit margin, you plan to improve its product portfolio and reduce the proportion of private label products for food service retailers, but do you have any other measures to improve efficiency? The number of employees is large and productivity per employee is low, so will you conduct cost reforms?
Capacity utilization and yield at Windsor's factories are significantly below Ajinomoto's, and we will work on improving them as a short-term initiative. Then, with Windsor's seven factories and Ajinomoto's one factory, we will have a total of eight factories, and we will work urgently to reallocate production based on improving the product portfolio. Regarding synergy in sales, Ajinomoto is weak in B2B, so how we configure sales will be important. In distributing products nationwide from these eight factories, the deciding factor will be how large we can make the Japanese food category within Asian/Ethnic food. Also, although it won't have a major impact, the integration of the general and administrative expenses of Ajinomoto North America and Windsor is not reflected in the current targets for fiscal 2016, but it is likely to have a positive effect in the future.
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In his presentation, President Ito said that Ajinomoto would aim for an operating profit margin of 10%. Does that mean that you are aiming for a net sales target of ¥100 billion for frozen food in North America in fiscal 2020?
Our aim for an operating profit margin of around 10% is not for fiscal 2020, but at an earlier stage.
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With Windsor's B2B sales now about half of its total sales, keeping in mind the total balance between the sales that will increase and those that will decrease, will you be able to achieve such strong sales growth? Considering the possible extent of unprofitable products and the extent that high-profit products can grow, will you be able to achieve growth in overall sales?
The B2B business also generates operating income. Moreover, Windsor's current operating profit margin for Asian food is high even compared with the rest of the B2C business. Figuring out how to reconcile these two elements, plus Ajinomoto's operating margin for Japanese food, is likely to take until fiscal 2015. In the United States, the B2B market and the Asian food market within the B2C category are growing. Under these circumstances, how we will change these three product portfolios is a crucial point.
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You say that B2B generates operating income, but aren't there any unprofitable Windsor products?
B2B is not one single product group. There are Windsor brand B2B products and private label B2B products exclusively for single customers. We will end sales of some private label B2B products for which profitability is comparatively low. We are not thinking of ending all B2B sales.
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What are the proportions of Windsor brand B2B products and private label B2B products in operating income?
That information cannot be disclosed. Ajinomoto's understanding is that most North American frozen food companies have an operating profit margin of 10% or more. With the consolidation of the frozen food business that is in progress, the operating profit margin is rising, including in Europe. However, it is about two-thirds that of shelf stable products. You could say that frozen food products overall have a low margin.
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Against Ajinomoto's net sales forecast of approximately ¥13.5 billion for fiscal 2014, an operating profit margin of approximately 10% would result in a tremendous figure for the North American frozen food business. Is that operating profit margin so high because you are operating in the niche market of Asian and Japanese foods? Or is it because R&D and other expenses will be posted by the parent company, making the local operating profit margin look higher? Also, a competitor with the second-highest share for Asian foods in the U.S. frozen food market has an operating profit margin of 12% on net sales of around ¥240 billion. Will it be possible to maintain an operating profit margin of approximately 10% when overseas frozen food sales grow to around ¥90 billion in fiscal 2016?
The first reason is that the unit price of Ajinomoto's Japanese-style gyoza in North America is nearly 1.2 times that of competing products, and the unit price is nearly 1.8 times at supermarkets in North America catering to Japanese customers. The second is that Ajinomoto's frozen food business has a history of developing relationships with each of its customers from scratch, and the high sales per customer result in a high operating profit margin. How we roll out this framework at Windsor will determine whether we achieve an operating profit margin of 10% on net sales of approximately ¥90 billion in fiscal 2016.
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Ajinomoto's umami seasonings for processed food manufacturers business is currently shifting from B2B to B2C, and I suppose that with this acquisition the utilization ratio of umami seasonings for processed food produced in-house will rise. How do you envision the proportion of B2B and B2C in the future?
It is true that we are promoting a shift to retail in the umami seasonings for processed food manufacturers business. However, how we can contribute to deliciousness in the recipes and other areas of Windsor products worth some ¥70 billion is yet to be considered, so we have not made a provisional estimate of the proportion of retail in umami seasonings at this time.
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Has Ajinomoto ever sold any of its umami seasonings to Windsor?
Almost none.
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In the U.S. retail market, dollar shops and mail-order sales are growing, while retailers face rough going. Amid this structural change, how do you view the opportunities and risks for the frozen food business?
Frozen food in North America is an approximately ¥4 trillion market. Frozen food consumption there is an order of magnitude greater than in Japan. Purchasing habits are generally different, with Americans shopping once every two or three days. There is no comparison in consumers' acceptance of frozen food. On the other hand, Internet shopping is on the rise, but I don't believe the change has been that rapid for food shopping. The Japanese and Asian foods that Ajinomoto handles are in a sense specialty products that can be sold at a higher price. Highly receptive consumers are taking the lead in purchasing. Ajinomoto's products are healthy and high quality, but unfortunately the North American frozen food market itself is not considered to be particularly high quality. However, Ajinomoto is at the stage of creating a category of delicious, high-quality Asian and Japanese foods and has reached sales of approximately ¥13.5 billion. This category is different from Internet shopping, and sales should grow in the future.
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What will your business policy be for Windsor's José Olé® brand of Mexican food? Windsor has the number-two share of the Mexican frozen food market in the U.S., with a high operating profit margin. Where will you position this business within your frozen food business?
Windsor's Mexican products have a high operating profit margin, second to their Asian food, but we are not satisfied with that level. We will improve the products by introducing Ajinomoto's production technology. We also want Ajinomoto to grow in the Mexican food market, which is about ¥150 billion and still growing.
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As in the United States, the European market for gyoza is growing. Will you be conducting M&A in the frozen food business in Europe?
Currently, Ajinomoto's frozen food business in Europe mainly handles gyoza imported from Thailand, and we have just started OEM production of gyoza in Poland, so we are on the lookout for opportunities. We would like to build an operating structure that lets us conduct mainstream sales, so we are recruiting the top-level personnel we need, among other measures. We are thinking about how to sell to supermarkets in the retail sector in the future.
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When will this acquisition generate synergy? Will it result in top-line growth from sales of Ajinomoto products throughout the United States starting in fiscal 2015? Or will top-line growth start from around fiscal 2016, after you reorganize production?
We plan to gradually generate synergy in production from the initial fiscal year. As for synergy in Japanese food sales, Ajinomoto's Portland factory is currently operating at full capacity, so we won't be able to start nationwide sales right away. Assuming preparations take around a year to 18 months, synergy will probably start in fiscal 2016 or thereafter.
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Regarding your plan for ¥90 billion in overseas frozen food sales in fiscal 2016, what kind of operating profit margin do you expect?
We would be satisfied with an operating profit margin of around 10%, and we plan to aim for that, although it may be one or two points lower depending on how long it takes to generate a synergy effect.
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Given that even with this acquisition you will not change your policy on shareholder returns, with a target of total shareholder returns of 50%, is it unlikely that Ajinomoto will conduct a share repurchase in fiscal 2014, when it will incur the approximately ¥80 billion acquisition cost?
There will be no change in our policy on shareholder returns, which targets a payout ratio of 30% and a total return to shareholders of about 50%, as stated in our FY2014-2016 Medium-Term Management Plan. We will look at factors such as fiscal 2014 results in deciding on a share repurchase.
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Will Ajinomoto be capable of making a liberal share repurchase?
First we will look at our fiscal 2014 results, then we will consider it. With targets of a payout ratio of 30% and a total return to shareholders of about 50%, that leaves around 20% in share repurchases, but we never claimed that we would conduct repurchases each year. Rather, those are targets for the three-year period. Consequently, we will decide after taking fiscal 2014 results into consideration.
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It will be important for Windsor to expand its mainstay Asian food products. What percentage does Asian food account for out of all of Windsor's frozen food products, and what has the Asian food category growth rate been for the past three to five years?
Asian food accounts for approximately 30% of Windsor's sales, and B2C accounts for about half of that at 15%. Italian and Mexican foods account for about 70%. Sales of Asian food have grown approximately 5% over the past three to five years, while Mexican food has increased slightly and Italian food has decreased somewhat.